Sigma Experiments: Kratom – Week 2

Read back over my Kratom experiments posts if you don’t know what this is all about.

The results of the previous weeks experiments were promising, but inconclusive. Lets see how I got on this week. Please note I’m writing this a week later, and some of the details are a bit hazy now.

10th June – Daygame

4g Bali from Not bad. I felt fairly chilled out and managed to do 4 sets in a reasonable timeframe.

11th June – Daygame

4g Bornero Red Steam from Herbal Eye. Didn’t have a huge impact on AA. I wanted to see how many sets I could do in a one hour session, and only managed two.

12 June – Nightgame

4g White Borneo from Herbal Eye. This was consumed in tandem with copious amounts of vodka, and this quite possibly negates the experiment.

I was in a pretty good vibe by the time I arrived at the club. Can’t tell if it was the kratom or the alcohol though. Opened quite early on. It was a blonde who looked HB7 / HB8 (but later turned out to be a 6 – nightclub lighting is a deceptive bitch), who was dancing really well while her friend was at the bar. I opened her by telling her she looked cute but she danced like a crazy lady.

She was English, from just outside London, and only a little younger than me. She seemed to open well and was very flirty and touchy, till her friend dragged her away. There’s a strategy I use when I get cockblocked like this in a club. It’s really simple, and doesn’t involve and psychological trickery or clever lines. I just simply come back later, especially if the cockblocker isn’t around / is distracted later. Doesn’t sound like much of a technique but works well.

I reopen her later when her friend is talking to another guy. She seems very receptive, almost too receptive. Tells me she just broke up from a LTR and now wants fun. On the one hand this is screaming SNL, on the other hand women aren’t usually this up front. When they are it’s usually attention whoring rather than genuine sexual desire. I leave her with her friend. I see her later talking to other guys. She’s flirty and tactile with them too. Even ones that are below her looks level. My read on her is that she’s recently dumped, and now out on an attention whoring session to make herself feel better. My conclusion is that it’s possible that whatever guy happens to be talking to her at the end of the night when she decides to leave may end up fucking her, but it’s not for sure. I certainly don’t want to spend all night talking to her, I can see it leading nowhere.

I open a couple more sets. They don’t hook. I meet up with the blonde dancer, again, in the smoking area. This time she starts shit testing me. She tells me she’s no good for me and I should run away now. I tell her I don’t like running. I’m too lazy. She throws a faux tantrum saying that she’s not going to talk to me if I won’t even chase a girl. I ignore her until she speaks to me again. Her friend shows up. She’s wankered and really cunty so I ignore her. I tell the blonde I want to sit down with her inside and talk to her. She says there’s no point, I’m not right for her. I say nothing and walk inside, and go and sit down. She follows and joins me.

I try and run comfort but she won’t open up much. She’s also showing very little interest in me as a person (eg what I do ect). This is bad, because when girls are working out whether or not they want to sleep with you, they usually want to know more about you. We dance and kiss a lot, she goes off to find her friend.

I open a Brazilian with huuuuge tits. She hooks but the set is really flat, and she won’t isolate. I leave her to it, thinking I can always try for a Hail Mary number close later. I go out to the smoking area again (yeah, quitting not going so well, thanks for asking). The blonde and her friend have been kicked out of the club due to the friend’s severe inebriation. I get the blonde’s attention from behind the smoking barrier and am going to go for the number close. Since she lives out of London and I’m not hugely into her personality, I’m not sure there’s any point, but I feel like I should.

The club manager cockblocks me. He’s been trying to get the blonde to order a taxi. Her friend is sat outside the club and he wants them both gone. He tells me if I want to talk to her I have to leave the club and stay out, otherwise I have to go back inside the club. What I cunt. I would quite like to have had an argument with him, but since this will just lead me to being ejected (and possibly banned) from a club I frequent I decide not to, and head back inside. Looking back good persuasive social skills could probably have been applied here. That’s something to keep in mind for the future.

I find the Brazilian titty monster and try and number close. She rejects saying she has a boyfriend. I do one last circuit of the club, but I’ve had enough. It’s only just turned midnight, but I’ve already given up. I just don’t have the same drive to keep at it that I once had. I just keep looking at all the girls and it really bothers me how young they seem compared to me. That hasn’t really happened before, and is something I need to get over. It’s early but I decide to leave. I head off in search of diet breaking food on Leicester Square.

As soon as I turn the corner from the club onto Piccadilly, who do I see? It’s blonde dancer trying to hail a cab as her pissed up friend talks to random guys in the street. I remember what I thought about whoever ends up talking to her when she leaves the club might shag her. Here’s my chance.

She tells me she’s had enough of her friend, and asks if I want to go somewhere. We leave her friend to her drunken stupor and I take blondie to a near by casino. Casinos are great for bouncing girls to from clubs as an intermediate step to get them home. Drinks are cheap(ish), it isn’t too loud, the bar is really crowded, and they’re often open 24 hours.

Inside we talk. Comfort with some kissing mixed in. She opens up a bit more. We head to china town for food. She pays for my sweet and sour pork. This makes me happy. Her friend rings her. She tells her where we are, but I know she won’t find us. She tells me her friend needs her but she’d rather go home with me.

We leave the restaurant and she says maybe we should get a cab to mine. I realise she’s doing all the work in terms of getting us to go home together, I’m doing none of it. I do have a weak point of not pushing hard enough to get girls to come home with me on dates and in clubs. This isn’t something I had a couple of years ago when I was getting a decent number of SNLs. Something to consider.

I try and order and Uber but the fucking thing forces me to download a 50 meg update over 3g before I can use it. Not the first time Uber has done this while I’m trying to extract a girl. Not impressed. I hail a black cab. We go back to mine, and I get notch number 72.

14th June – Daygame

4g Cambodian from, both before and mid way through the session. This made me quite lightheaded when I first took it, and made me feel mildly positive when out sarging. No real effect in terms of reducing AA. I was our for something like 4 hours and only did 3 sets, none of them went well. This was by far my worst session since starting using Kratom. It could have been something to do with getting laid on the Friday night and just not having any real urges to speak to women, but ultimately I was very disappointed by this session.


All in all not blown away by Kratom this week. We will see how next week goes.

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